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I don't mean to offend anyone's religious beliefs, this is simply a comment on
somthing that Tom said in class today.

One of the issues that came up during the discussion on religions was the debate
between Lutheran, Catholic and Calvanist views on salvation. Lutherans believe
that individual faith saves, Catholics that the church saves and Calvinists that
it is pre-determined whether you're saved. Also Tom said that Lutheranism was
created, in part, to appeal to the growing merchant class, Catholicism appeals
to the poor and Calvanism seems to appeal to the wealthy. The Calvanists
believed that God would treat the chosen ones well on earth, making them
wealthy.

This seems like they have turned religion into a social convention. This is
exactly the sort of thing that makes me skeptical about relgions. What does God
have to do with social class? Did Protestantism give people the right to
interpret the bible in the way that best suits their own private purposes?
Hmmm? It seems that a lot of people do that still today.

On a slightly different note, when I was in Portland, Oregon a few years ago, I
saw a twenty-four hour church of Elvis. I think that Luther and the other
Christian humanists would probably fall over dead (except that they already are)
if they thought that this was the legacy of Protestant Reformation. Or would
they? Elvis saves? I guess that if people believe that they will find
salvation in Blue Suede shoes, more powe

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• Re: Elvis Saves? Bill Yancey 07:15:01 8/30/99 (0)
• Re: Elvis Saves? Mike Diemer 23:26:05 2/21/99 (0)
• Re: Elvis Saves? Chris Flint 14:04:25 2/09/99 (0)
• Re: Elvis Saves? Ryan Rockers 16:05:21 2/02/99 (0)
• Re: Elvis Saves? Actually Bill Shatner saves Rylan Bachman 11:27:02 1/29/99 (0)

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: I don't mean to offend anyone's religious beliefs, this is simply a comment on : somthing that Tom said in class today. : One of the issues that came up during the discussion on religions was the debate : between Lutheran, Catholic and Calvanist views on salvation. Lutherans believe : that individual faith saves, Catholics that the church saves and Calvinists that : it is pre-determined whether you're saved. Also Tom said that Lutheranism was : created, in part, to appeal to the growing merchant class, Catholicism appeals : to the poor and Calvanism seems to appeal to the wealthy. The Calvanists : believed that God would treat the chosen ones well on earth, making them : wealthy. : This seems like they have turned religion into a social convention. This is : exactly the sort of thing that makes me skeptical about relgions. What does God : have to do with social class? Did Protestantism give people the right to : interpret the bible in the way that best suits their own private purposes? : Hmmm? It seems that a lot of people do that still today. : On a slightly different note, when I was in Portland, Oregon a few years ago, I : saw a twenty-four hour church of Elvis. I think that Luther and the other : Christian humanists would probably fall over dead (except that they already are) : if they thought that this was the legacy of Protestant Reformation. Or would : they? Elvis saves? I guess that if people believe that they will find : salvation in Blue Suede shoes, more powe

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