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In Reply to: historical proof posted by Hillary Owens-Hamlin on January 12, 1999 at 22:11:33:

I don't know if I'm going to answer your question, but I thik you might be confused as to who Bacig was referring to when he said that in the medieval times people followed the arguments of the authorities. I think in referring to the "authorities" he means the authorities of the church. Such as the pope and the bishops and archbishops. We have to remember that the Bible, being the ultimate authority at that time, was only examined by the autorities of the church. The common people had no access to the Bible execpt through the autorities of the church. And for that fact no other important text either, because they were all kept in the monasteries (just like in The Name of the Rose.)

The change in the Renaissance was that common people began to have access to these text and were able to examine and decifer the writings themselves. Yes these texts were written by authorities, but they were the authorities in the times of the Greeks and Romans, not just the authorities of the church.

I think the main difference between the two time periods was the change in how the people had access to historical data: through the authorities of the church or through their own research of historical texts.

I don't know if I helped you any, but this is some of what I understand of it all. One other note of information that I've learned is that this public grasp in historical documents lead to another great change in Europe. When Martin Luther was able to get his hands on both Latin and Greek and Hebrew translations of the bible he discovered something that eventually led to the Protestant Reformation. By doing research on his own he was able to find a difference in the translation and meaning of the word penance or repentance. In its original meaning it meant a change of heart in order to be forgiven for sin, but when it was translated from Hebrew to Greek (I think that's how it went) the word came to mean doing works in order to be forgiven. This were indulgences came into play and that's what Martin Luther came to oppose.

So like I said before it was the change from the authority administering information to the public, to the induvidual being able to seek out this knowledge for his/herself and having public access to the historical writings which were once behind closed doors, that lead to such radical changes during the Renaissance.

Thanks,
Heather

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: I don't know if I'm going to answer your question, but I thik you might be confused as to who Bacig was referring to when he said that in the medieval times people followed the arguments of the authorities. I think in referring to the "authorities" he means the authorities of the church. Such as the pope and the bishops and archbishops. We have to remember that the Bible, being the ultimate authority at that time, was only examined by the autorities of the church. The common people had no access to the Bible execpt through the autorities of the church. And for that fact no other important text either, because they were all kept in the monasteries (just like in The Name of the Rose.) : The change in the Renaissance was that common people began to have access to these text and were able to examine and decifer the writings themselves. Yes these texts were written by authorities, but they were the authorities in the times of the Greeks and Romans, not just the authorities of the church. : I think the main difference between the two time periods was the change in how the people had access to historical data: through the authorities of the church or through their own research of historical texts. : I don't know if I helped you any, but this is some of what I understand of it all. One other note of information that I've learned is that this public grasp in historical documents lead to another great change in Europe. When Martin Luther was able to get his hands on both Latin and Greek and Hebrew translations of the bible he discovered something that eventually led to the Protestant Reformation. By doing research on his own he was able to find a difference in the translation and meaning of the word penance or repentance. In its original meaning it meant a change of heart in order to be forgiven for sin, but when it was translated from Hebrew to Greek (I think that's how it went) the word came to mean doing works in order to be forgiven. This were indulgences came into play and that's what Martin Luther came to oppose. : So like I said before it was the change from the authority administering information to the public, to the induvidual being able to seek out this knowledge for his/herself and having public access to the historical writings which were once behind closed doors, that lead to such radical changes during the Renaissance. : Thanks, : Heather

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